Statements of responsibility for material without a collective title
DSG discussion, 2013-06-03
- If there is more than one statement of responsibility on a work without a collective title, all statements of responsibility should be transcribed adjacent to the corresponding title.
- A period is to separate a statement of responsibility from an additional title, even if the same person is named in both (all) the statements of responsibility.
E.g.,
Scene in Printing-House Square, New York City [graphic] / sketched by Stanley Fox. Elevated railway in Greenwich Street, New York City / sketched by Stanley Fox
Archived discussion
From Erin: (updated to include text of the DCRM rule)
DCRM(B) text
1F. Publications without a collective title
1F1. Two or more works named on the title page
1F1.1. By same person or body. If the publication has no collective title and the title page bears the titles of two or more individual works, other than supplementary matter, that are contained in the publication, transcribe the titles of the individual works in the order in which they appear on the title page. Separate the titles by a space-semicolon-space if the works are all by the same person(s) or body (bodies), even if the titles are linked by a connecting word or phrase.
Les Akanças : prologue mélo-dramatique, en un acte et en prose ; suivi Des Espagnols dans la Floride : pantomime en trois actes et à spectacle
1F1.2. By different persons or bodies. If the individual works are by different persons or bodies, or the authorship is in doubt, precede each title other than the first by a period and one space, unless a linking word or phrase is already present. Precede each statement of responsibility by a space-slash-space.
The serving-man become a queen. Jockey of the green. The lass of Richmond Hill
Franklin’s way to wealth and Penn’s maxims
Manon's addition on the DCRM Editorial Guidelines Wiki
(B)1F1.2: Add text to account for statements of responsibility that are not entirely the same but do have some overlap (e.g. Work 1 / by persons A and B. Work 2 / by persons C and B) : "If the individual works are by different persons or bodies (or different combinations thereof) ..." (C)
Question
Should the Steering Group consider changing the rule to focus on the number of statements of responsibility rather than the number of creators?
Background
It's unlikely there would ever be two statements of responsibility that refer to the same person on a title page, but DCRM(G)'s example of "by same person or body" isn't a case of two separately titled pictures with one collective s.o.r., but two separately titled pictures with two identical s.o.r.'s. As transcribed in the DCRM(G) example, you wouldn't know that the piece represents itself as two independent images rather than two examples of the same person's work.
DCRM(G) example following the rules as written:
Scene in Printing-House Square, New York City [graphic] ; Elevated railway in Greenwich Street, New York City / sketched by Stanley Fox
Same DCRM(G) example representing the piece more accurately:
Scene in Printing-House Square, New York City [graphic] / sketched by Stanley Fox. Elevated railway in Greenwich Street, New York City / sketched by Stanley Fox
Comments section
Comments (9)
Deborah J. Leslie said
at 9:48 am on May 23, 2013
I would interpret 1.F1 as requiring this:
Scene in Printing-House Square, New York City [graphic] / sketched by Stanley Fox ; Elevated railway in Greenwich Street, New York City / sketched by Stanley Fox
Erin Blake said
at 10:14 am on May 23, 2013
Why? The instructions say "Separate the titles by a space-semicolon-space if the works are all by the same person(s) or body (bodies)" not "... precede each title other than the first by a semicolon and one space" like the following instruction.
And if the titles aren't considered "together" enough to share a statement of responsibility, I don't see a compelling reason to use a semicolon just because it's the same person, but a period if it's the same person plus one or more other people.
Deborah J. Leslie said
at 7:55 pm on May 28, 2013
To tell the truth, I find that paragraph in the editorial guidelines completely opaque. What does it mean to "add text"? What's the significance of "different combinations thereof"?
The main point I was trying to make is that if there are two statements of responsibility, both need to be transcribed. I don't see any justification anywhere for silently omitting a SOR. Whether the titles+SOR's are separated by a semi-colon or a period isn't all that important.
Erin Blake said
at 9:18 pm on May 28, 2013
I think "add text" is just Manon's note to the other editors, saying that text needs to be added to the rule, and that DCRM(C) added "(or different combinations thereof)" but it could instead be phrased differently.
Literally, the same person DID create both maps, it's just that someone else also worked with him on the second one.
Erin Blake said
at 9:09 pm on May 28, 2013
It's hard to figure out from the DCRM(B) examples because they don't have SORs. If the goal is this:
"Scene in Printing-House Square, New York City ; [graphic] / sketched by Stanley Fox ; Elevated railway in Greenwich Street, New York City / sketched by Stanley Fox"
then 1F1 needs to say "... precede each title other than the first by a space-semicolon-space" and not "Separate the titles by a space-semicolon-space."
Manon Theroux said
at 10:40 pm on May 29, 2013
Erin is correct, I just inserted "(or different combinations thereof)" in the DCRM(C) rule. I thought others might want to follow suit, so I added it to the wiki.
Here is the DCRM(C) example in question: "St. Pauls River, Liberia at its mouth / surveyed by Captn. Kelly ; drawn by H.R.W. Johnson. Survey of a route for a canal to connect the Mesurado and Junk rivers in Liberia / by Daniel B. Warner and H.R.W. Johnson, made in Jan'y & Feb'y 1867."
My assumption has always been that if each work is by the same person or body (or the same combination of persons/bodies), you use a semi-colon as separating punctuation between the works (whether they appear as titles or as title/s.o.r combinations) and if each work is by a different person or body (or a different combination of persons/bodies), you use a period as separating punctuation. I thought the presence of the semi-colon or period was supposed to clue you in as to what was going on. So, correctly or incorrectly, I probably would have done Erin's example as: "Scene in Printing-House Square, New York City [graphic] / sketched by Stanley Fox ; Elevated railway in Greenwich Street, New York City / sketched by Stanley Fox". But I don't think I've ever actually encountered a repeated s.o.r. when cataloging books. Probably it isn't addressed explicitly (or even implicitly by example) in MARC, AACR2, DCRM(B), etc., because it isn't as common. ISBD Consolidated's rule text does seem to support Erin's transcription of the identical s.o.r only once (at the end of all the titles). On the other hand, it does seem more DCRMish to not to silently omit a s.o.r.
Manon Theroux said
at 10:43 pm on May 29, 2013
It would get even messier if you needed to use the semi-colon in two different senses (both to separate multiple s.o.r. pertaining to each work and to separate the works themselves, in which case you'd need to also depend of the capitalization of the titles to help you figure out at a glance what is going on). Hypothetical example: "Map of Ohio / surveyed by Capt. Ludlow; drawn by J. Keyes ; Map of Kentucky / surveyed by Capt. H. Ludlow ; drawn by Jno. Keyes." It does read more easily to me to use a period: "Map of Ohio / surveyed by Capt. Ludlow; drawn by J. Keyes. Map of Kentucky / surveyed by Capt. H. Ludlow ; drawn by Jno. Keyes."
P.S. These comment boxes are really too tiny! I can only see a few lines at a time. And you're limited to 2000 characters.
Erin Blake said
at 12:32 pm on Jun 3, 2013
(You can click-and-drag the lower-right corner of the comment box to make it bigger).
Nancy Lorimer said
at 2:14 pm on Jun 3, 2013
It seems to me that 1.1G3 in AACR2 states it pretty clearly. "
"If describing the item as a unit, transcribe the titles of the individually titled works in the order in which they appear in the chief source of information or, if there is no single chief source of information, in the order in which they appear in the item, treating multiple sources of information as if they were one source (see 1.0A3).
Separate the titles of the works by semicolons if the works are all by the same person(s) or emanate from the same body (bodies), even if the titles are linked by a connecting word or phrase. Follow the title of each work by its parallel title(s) and other title information."
It does not seem to me there is anything to back the idea of repeating a statement of responsibility when they are exactly the same. If you look at the example in 1.1G3, the two Haydn symphonies are two completely unrelated works; they are simply published together. I also would consider this amply covers the overlapping SORs, given that it say "same body (bodies)"
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